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Title: AI derps
Post by: serprex on September 01, 2014, 12:23:16 pm
Might as well keep AI derps to a single topic. Also useful for designing Arena decks with pilot in mind

Won't remove SoPa's for win if it has too many (3+?) copies on the field (now mitigated)
Will infect (really big?) GP'd voodoos
Will RT dragons vs charge walls (?)
Otys eat ally shrieker vs dims (?)
Won't target orochis
Won't properly lobo spores
Scatters player's hand as an improvement (ie play all pillars, AI scatters your hand, get more pillars as a result is good early game)
Plays pillars while under effect of neurotoxin
Title: Re: AI derps
Post by: cg on September 19, 2014, 04:23:11 am
21:22:10 ColorlessGreen: having a full hand and not wanting to play anything out of it makes the ai want to spam useless abilities (i.e. mitosis with a full field)
21:22:20 ColorlessGreen: drawing a pillar and playing it makes him realize he doesn't want to waste quanta spamming useless mitosis

to clarify, drawing anything playable and playing it makes him not spam useless abilities

to further clarify, it appears that full-hand-with-nothing-to-play is also what makes him use his squid to freeze his own creature. i speculate that not being able to play anything may somehow be inverting the value of abilities?
Title: Re: AI derps
Post by: serprex on November 02, 2014, 06:23:24 pm
Kills own board with flooding
Spams singularities vs shapeshifter
Never plays Tunneling
Title: Re: AI derps
Post by: timpa on December 08, 2014, 12:38:03 pm
Beguilling a Voodoo Doll (that it had nightmared and I played to release hand space), for no profit at all.
Title: Re: AI derps
Post by: Dawn to Dusk on January 06, 2015, 03:39:16 am
ai nightmared a card that i could play rather than one that i couldnt despite both being on the field. it also had minotaur on the field
Title: Re: AI derps
Post by: Dawn to Dusk on January 25, 2015, 10:53:54 am
ai wont spam UG if the opponent has a shield out, namely debris barricade
Title: Re: AI derps
Post by: timpa on January 25, 2015, 12:38:01 pm
AI doesn't bother too much, until it is too late, on freezing an army of Chrisaoras, even if you have the quanta to ise the ability (it had a bunch of squids and I had everything on my side frozen when I play fractal + chrisaora)
Title: Re: AI derps
Post by: Terroking on March 17, 2015, 01:39:33 am
AI was smart and tried to buff my creature to block it with gravy shield, but the buff was momentum.

AI used corpse explosion on a photon when I had no creatures out.
Title: Re: AI derps
Post by: Chapuz on March 17, 2015, 06:39:58 pm
Quote from: Terroking on March 17, 2015, 01:39:33 am
AI used corpse explosion on a photon when I had no creatures out.
Soul Catchers? Boneyard? Vulture?
Title: Re: AI derps
Post by: Terroking on March 17, 2015, 08:22:06 pm
Quote from: Chapuz on March 17, 2015, 06:39:58 pm
Quote from: Terroking on March 17, 2015, 01:39:33 am
AI used corpse explosion on a photon when I had no creatures out.
Soul Catchers? Boneyard? Vulture?

Not that I can recall, but serp said it may have been to reduce hand size and allow for 2x draw, which I believe was likely the case.
Title: Re: AI derps
Post by: serprex on May 04, 2015, 08:02:19 pm
AI will end turn when it figures you'll die without considering that it'll die first (http://puu.sh/hBsGa/c5cdffd552.png)
Title: Re: AI derps
Post by: Zaranir on May 05, 2015, 12:34:07 pm
AI keeps filling the full field with Cell even against a PA-d Diamond shield (with "The Horde").

No other creature or perma was in play (except pillars).
Title: Re: AI derps
Post by: Zaranir on May 10, 2015, 10:29:41 pm
AI don't want to kill me with 8(!) Unstable gas on field (with my not-so-long-Arena-deck).

(http://i.imgur.com/yrOZrlD.png)
Title: Re: AI derps
Post by: Zaranir on May 11, 2015, 12:30:07 am
AI should play Inertia, when gravi deployer is in play.

(http://i.imgur.com/2xN5pzM.png)

Edit: Changed the picture to a better example, but the original is here: http://i.imgur.com/mbWm3u8.png

(And IMO, AI should play the 'Repulsors', because it's too hard to PC to be a real risk factor).
Title: Re: AI derps
Post by: kvaak on May 29, 2015, 04:13:34 pm
AI uses SoW on my pest because... reasons

(http://i.imgur.com/E7CvSJ7.png)

I've also seen it use quintessence on my creatures for no apparent reason. Happened particularly often with a life/grav deck with mito dragons.
Title: Re: AI derps
Post by: serprex on May 29, 2015, 04:56:49 pm
It cast SoW to get double draw next turn. Probably needs to be taught that double draw isn't _that_ valuable, but tough to find a good balance
Title: Re: AI derps
Post by: kvaak on May 30, 2015, 05:49:26 pm
Again quinting my creatures.

(http://i.imgur.com/qSXiLhO.png)

I'm fairly sure mito in particular causes this for some reason.
Title: Re: AI derps
Post by: Chapuz on May 30, 2015, 05:55:04 pm
Does the AI think the creatures can't use skills once quinted?
Title: Re: AI derps
Post by: kvaak on May 30, 2015, 07:03:11 pm
Quote from: Chapuz on May 30, 2015, 05:55:04 pm
Does the AI think the creatures can't use skills once quinted?

The weird thing is often it quints the spawns instead of the creature with mito although it can certainly do either. I figured maybe it's trying to prevent me from using mito on my creatures but eg in the previous picture I have plenty of dragons out already, quinting one won't do a whole lot.
Title: Re: AI derps
Post by: serprex on May 30, 2015, 10:37:49 pm
Immaterial & 9 hp aren't evaluated very differently
Title: Re: AI derps
Post by: kvaak on May 30, 2015, 10:52:33 pm
I'm not really sure what that's supposed to mean. Last time I checked you usually use quint to protect your own creatures.

E: Just noticed, it played the quint first so maybe it's possible it was trying to open its hand for double draw despite playing a bunch of cards afterwards? That'd explain why it didn't quint its own oty either, it played oty after quint.

Also, double draft.

(http://i.imgur.com/SYBWENT.png)
Title: Re: AI derps
Post by: Zaranir on June 04, 2015, 12:37:16 pm
"Logic is just a futile attempt to deceive people."

Also AI rewinded Oty (1|6) instead of SoFocus AND gave Eternity + damage with SoW.

(http://i.imgur.com/DXHaslx.png)

Plus what kvaak said, AI is carelessly dumb on quinting:

(http://i.imgur.com/eKgntWB.png)
Title: Re: AI derps
Post by: kvaak on June 05, 2015, 03:24:05 pm
Didn't get a screenshot, but the AI doesn't prioritize buffed wardens when it doesn't have enough quanta to use guard on all of them. Short of death-triggered effects there's little reason to delay a minotaur with a 0/6 warden when you could just kill it with a 4/8 one.

Draft might have some part to play in this.
Title: Re: AI derps
Post by: serprex on June 05, 2015, 10:06:17 pm
There is reason. 4|8 warden can attack, while 0|6 doesn't become less valuable by being delayed
Title: Re: AI derps
Post by: kvaak on June 06, 2015, 12:34:59 pm
Quote from: serprex on June 05, 2015, 10:06:17 pm
There is reason. 4|8 warden can attack, while 0|6 doesn't become less valuable by being delayed

That's actually a point I keep forgetting about, although IIRC in that situation he still had a SoPa up so neither warden could attack anyway. Also attacking with a warden for 4 damage when I'm at full hp seems a rather bad trade when you could take out a minotaur smashing you for 2x6 damage every turn.
Title: Re: AI derps
Post by: Zaranir on June 06, 2015, 02:45:48 pm
A moment of silence, when Ai plays GP on my SoFocus, then not playing any creature to kill it (mostly, because can't but still).

(http://i.imgur.com/DVRCjhG.png)
Title: Re: AI derps
Post by: Zaranir on June 07, 2015, 09:58:30 am
AI should play creatures before SoR.

(http://i.imgur.com/8Uh3QaW.png)
Title: Re: AI derps
Post by: Chapuz on June 18, 2015, 01:00:27 am
Mitosis (Spell) should be considered higher at the time of using it as CC. I think the AI plays Mitosis as CC when the cost of the creature exceeds the cost of Mitosis (I can be wrong on this), and it should be used as CC when the creature you want to CC costs at least twice.
Title: Re: AI derps
Post by: kvaak on June 23, 2015, 05:34:12 pm
Just had AI (Suwako) fractal my flying Discord despite the fact he had no entropy income (did have 1 quanta from scramble though) or flying weapon.
Title: Re: AI derps
Post by: Lost in Nowhere on June 26, 2015, 03:19:39 am
The AI seems to be really stupid quite often against ByakkoVoid... for example, not playing anything nor using abilities despite having plenty of quanta.
Title: Re: AI derps
Post by: Dawn to Dusk on June 27, 2015, 02:37:00 am
ai refuses to play quantum lockets

yea... idk either
Title: Re: AI derps
Post by: timpa on July 16, 2015, 11:11:53 pm
AI plays Byt and SoSac. Starts using Byt to increase my creatures attack. It doesn't have a second SoSac. lol.
Title: Re: AI derps
Post by: serprex on July 16, 2015, 11:57:34 pm
AI fractals elves over giant frogs vs jade shield. Any-viable-target scoring could fix this issue
Title: Re: AI derps
Post by: Zaranir on August 04, 2015, 04:21:13 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/d0cYFY9.jpg)

AI using BL-s as a direct damage, not a creature, even if there's a Soul catcher on field (Edit: AI plays 1 per turn, but only 1. And Ai should prefer playing it for double draw, but does not). At least AI considers it as a  :aether quanta source, if Byt is in hand.

An example: http://i.imgur.com/BXrqxTt.png There AI should play all and use Innovation on Archangel. Edit: ( Better pic: http://i.imgur.com/fFgF11d.png If could be implemented that AI prefer high cost cards of 0 quanta of it's element with Inno, that would be good. )

Other thing: Rematch makes the Mark Chromatic in Arena2 Test. Not in the deck mode, just in the actual match(es).
Title: Re: AI derps
Post by: timpa on August 06, 2015, 08:37:12 pm
I got 3 space whales out. AI antimatters 2 of them and casts jelly in the third. Next turn I hit it with 3 jellies ^^
Title: Re: AI derps
Post by: Dawn to Dusk on September 28, 2015, 12:18:51 am
Quote from: Dawn_to_Dusk on June 27, 2015, 02:37:00 am
ai refuses to play quantum lockets

yea... idk either
tidal healing too

note this is arena,both 1 and 2
Title: Re: AI derps
Post by: kirbylover314 on December 24, 2015, 07:33:18 pm
AI refuses to deal lethal damage for like 5 turns.

(http://i.imgur.com/4vROudg.png)
Title: Re: AI derps
Post by: serprex on December 28, 2015, 12:16:52 am
@kirby this is a specific issue where AI fails to evaluate destroying _both_ SoPas. I finally decided to stop being lazy & fix this longstanding AI derp (https://github.com/serprex/openEtG/commit/df1ffecc89e62346d2a6c79cfaf8b06d08b9610c)
Title: Re: AI derps
Post by: serprex on March 24, 2018, 04:56:38 pm
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/345966174258855937/426933597191143436/ai_antimattered_dumb.jpg

AI decided to antimatter dragon with gpull because gpull eval is messed up
Title: Re: AI derps
Post by: cg on April 14, 2018, 04:07:04 pm
AI plays chimeras with nothing in play. Presumably it's thinking one or both of "creature in play with momentum is good" or "creature in play with gpull is good".

A check for whichever-is-missing of "if health = 0, gpull value = 0" and "if attack = 0, momentum value = 0" seems likely to fix it.

edit: fippe looked at code and momentum seems to be a flat boost in value, so that's probably why
Title: Re: AI derps
Post by: Chapuz on April 16, 2018, 01:30:47 pm
Champion Adrienne plays a  :time dragon (6 HP). It is its only creature
Champion Adrienne plays Chimera.

Is it a derp?
Title: Re: AI derps
Post by: 7636bas on April 17, 2018, 01:18:19 pm
(http://puu.sh/A51Ev.jpg)

Pretty sure that's the AI simply being desperate (my deck did not contain any CC), but chapuz insisted me to post it as a derp. I mean, even without the derpy/desperate NM I don't think it can get away from -X/1, really :/
Title: Re: AI derps
Post by: Chapuz on April 17, 2018, 01:31:38 pm
Quote from: Chapuz in Discord
The AI should AT LEAST see the Max HP Reduction as threats of the size of the current HP reduction, which is CurrentHP - (MaxHP - MaxHPReduction) if that calculation is > 0
Title: Re: AI derps
Post by: cg on May 14, 2018, 02:43:20 pm
per submachine on elementscommunity:

When I played an Owl, I noticed that the AI had Immolations and Sparks in his hand but didn't play anything. It's a weird behavior.
Title: Re: AI derps
Post by: Chapuz on May 17, 2018, 05:01:09 pm
Fortis was saying on the chat that an AI with Golden Goose prefered to summon new Fate Eggs instead of Hatching the ones already in play. The AI didn't have the quanta to do both things (summon egg and Hatch) so it ended with a bunch of useless eggs.
Title: Re: AI derps
Post by: Fortis on May 17, 2018, 05:01:54 pm
Recently, I tried making an Arena 1 deck focused around the golden goose. I noticed that the AI prioritizes summoning fate eggs over hatching them. With a finite supply of time quanta, this results in a field full of unhatched fate eggs.


edit: Aaand ninja'd by Chapuz
Title: Re: AI derps
Post by: cg on May 17, 2018, 05:37:10 pm
Omniscient AI knows what it's going to get out of eggs, so it was declining to hatch an egg that was gonna produce a skeleton or something if it hatched that round. Not a derp, just the AI is a cheater.
Title: Re: AI derps
Post by: Fippe94 on May 18, 2018, 09:22:36 am
Well if it fills the field with unhatched eggs that is a problem. I suggest lowering the value of the fate egg itself, so it gets more incentive to hatch it into something else.
Title: Re: AI derps
Post by: Chapuz on May 24, 2018, 04:47:15 pm
Flooding + Graveyards

AI won't play Flooding even if it has 2+ graveyards + Vultures. Flooding should multiply the skeletons geometrically AND buff the vultures at the same rate, but the AI doesn't see that.
Fixable? I noticed it when testing an Arena deck.
Title: Re: AI derps
Post by: cg on June 29, 2018, 10:37:56 pm
ai needs to think about desert instead of spamming creatures down to 0 quanta and clearing its own field
Title: Re: AI derps
Post by: Chapuz on August 07, 2018, 02:20:50 pm
The Demigod Tempest played and Gave me a Broken Mirror. I think that's not the point of the card for an AI?
Title: Re: AI derps
Post by: cg on August 07, 2018, 03:18:46 pm
Tempest has mirror shield and jade shield. It's absolutely the point of the card for the AI.
Title: Re: AI derps
Post by: Chapuz on August 07, 2018, 05:35:40 pm
Quote from: cg on August 07, 2018, 03:18:46 pm
Tempest has mirror shield and jade shield. It's absolutely the point of the card for the AI.
Good call, I was just paying atention to the tornados and devourers when facing it
Title: Re: AI derps
Post by: serprex on July 28, 2019, 12:24:01 am
AI spreads out poison vs sopa, rather than piling poison counters to kill off creatures
Title: Re: AI derps
Post by: Chapuz on October 28, 2019, 07:12:03 pm

I am posting 2 Immortal Feud posted on Discord today plus 1 of my brother
(https://i.imgur.com/J9g3yCP.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/uXJHe3V.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/2Siizhp.png)
Title: Re: AI derps
Post by: Chapuz on November 18, 2019, 08:48:56 pm
The Mage Yellow played 52 Pickup and left me alive

Fallen Elf, alone on the field against a Black Cat of mine with Embezzle, decides to mutate itself into an Abomination
Title: Re: AI derps
Post by: newZaranir on January 28, 2021, 12:25:29 am
I'm getting BM'd by a robot :D

(https://i.imgur.com/PjcEbBD.png)
Title: Re: AI derps
Post by: Turlututu on January 03, 2022, 07:21:20 pm
1) AI keeps using Nightmare on my own cheap creatures. Thanks for the free Fractal I guess!

2) VS "Serprexalt"'s mono-life arena deck a couple days ago, the AI Equalized a card in its hand for no obvious reason (wish I kept the replay).
Title: Re: AI derps
Post by: timpa on October 11, 2023, 05:59:02 pm
AI zapping its own creature for no reason at all

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Title: Re: AI derps
Post by: serprex on October 11, 2023, 06:48:47 pm
Might not be the right play, but this isn't for no reason at all. Lightning on psion had inertia give quanta to afford Titan