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New Card Suggestions / Air Loom

« on: November 01, 2024, 05:20:25 pm »

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permanent
: Generate a stack of mist mantle in the owner's shield slot.

Upped: reduce active cost to .

...Yep, the primary goal with this concept is a pun. Curious to see of it's actually balanced, though.

[Spoiler]

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Events / Re: Additional Arsenal - Round 1

« on: November 01, 2024, 05:39:12 am »

Really, Serprex, "cowbow"? Any cow deck needs some rainbow to take advantage of cow abilities. Do my two cow decks look that similar?

Ah, well. The first day was pretty rough for me, going 0-5 twice in a row. I have a hard time going 0-5, so going 5-0 means I worry that I've upset my opponent. The community here seems to be pretty good about taking both wins and losses easily, though, so that's been helping me to not completely freak out.

Spoiler for matches, chronologically:

Vs BigDieck
L Shazanymph V cyber/mindgate
L Flux You v Invisible Antimatter
L Cyber Crusade v phase spider rush that has inexplicable bone axes
L Cat-a-log v Self-reaping Scythes (That's a really cool deck, by the way. Nice one, Deick.)
L Permless vs Bo Stonewall (Bone Wall? Am I allowed to make that obfuscating portmanteau?)

Vs Serprex (I'm using your names for your decks, since you've shared them already)
L Fishin' Tetrad v monofire
L Cat-a-Log v pixiegon
L Zombohaunt v pestal
L Flux You v monofire
L Cattle Mono v pestal

Vs Septima Rhay
W Zombohaunt v Wise (AI-assisted?) Dragons
W Cattle Mono v Spark Bones
L Cyber Crusade vs Desert/Khopesh (Kinda reminds me of the nerfed black cat/desert mill. Seems very Septima-style)
W Fishin' Semi v Phantom Fractal
L Shazaquake v Hush Bo (Wow I always use too many actives, was this designed to be a me counter? lol)

Vs Muffins/OwlCityX1000
W Bug Log v Ghostmare (As soon as I saw the GotP, I predicted this and withheld cards.)
W Cattle Mono v (I miscopied and only got the second half of the replay, oops.)
W Fishin' Tetrad v cow/goose rainbow - graboid version
W Zombohaunt v Ghostmare
W Cyber Crusade v cow/goose rainbow - pegasus version

Vs Asdw152 (you didn't name your decks, so I'm making up my own names for them.)
L Cyber Crusade v Inovative Graboids
L Cat-a-log v Nymph Fishin'
W Zombohaunt v Bone Wall Maul
W Cattle Mono v Damsel Fractal
W Bug Log v SoSac Sun (I think Asdw drew poorly. That looks like an interesting deck.)

Spoiler for decks, in alphabetical order:

Bug Log

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This one I built right before the tourney started and had sitting unsaved in deck slot 3, where I forgot about it. Sepima asked to do some additional PvP after our matches, and after a few rounds decided to speedbuild. I checked my working deck slots for a place to speedbuild in, and rediscovered it. Won both times I used it, if only I had it more.
2-0

Cat-a-log

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The pun that never dies! ...Okay, it dies a lot and inflicts increasing amounts of poison every time. I designed the original version during prototype testing before the additional arsenal was released, and rebalanced it to semi-upped for the tourney. A 6-poison, 5-life cat with three epidemics behind it is a force to be reckoned with if one can get there, but either I'm unlucky (blame the black cats!) or I failed to rebalance it appropriately for PvP.
0-3

Cattle Mono

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Another of my classic decks, this one was always semi-upped and easily adapted to the theme with the addition of a magic wand. I picked this because I figured everyone was encouraged to use weapons, so the obvious counter would be permanent control - and this one isn't reliant on the magic wand. Like all cow decks, very RNG-dependant. One time I got the wand and a million butterflies - not going to terrify anyone, as there's not much you can get zapping chroma. But other times, it was as effective as it is in PvE.
2-1

Cyber Crusade

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When testing this deck, Mirror gave me a 32-cost yoink spell. (I challenge you all to acquire something more expensive.) I didn't put enough quanta in, thinking datashrink spam would save me, but alas, 'twas not the case in PvP. Also, it doesn't work if you bottom-deck the cyberweapons.
1-3

Fishin' Semi

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In PvE, the fish of the day was on the underwhelming side, but the one time I used it in the tourney, I reeled in a win. I had a lucky matchup, though, one well-timed dry spell took out a fractal's worth of phantoms and de-spirited Septima's deck.
1-0

fishin' tetrad

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Having polychromaticness in a fishing deck means that if you cast your line into your opponent's deck, you have more opportunities to play stuff. Reeling in ash and spores can be remarkably effective (shard golems and singularities, not so much). My win was against another spider cow deck and stealing my opponent's herd was doubly effective. I felt like I was being a little cruel during that match. Sorry, Muffins!
1-1

Flux you

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The theory was, that people would be using a lot of weapons, so stealing and flying them would be a powerful technique. Reality did not meet expectations. Even during testing, this deck was prone to great or terrible draws, with steal/beguile ratios either matching or not with opponent's stuff. After an abysmal draw in my match against Serprex, I gave up on this deck.
0-2

Permless

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Again, the plan was an anti-anti- perm deck. I got a decent draw and an early mutant dragon, but then got walled by a giant stonewall before I could land the final blow. I thought I had used it a second time and still lost, but I guess not.
0-1

Shazanymph

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I cannot manage my quanta with this deck. I spent the whole time second-guessing my pillar/nymph ratio to make things work. Obviously, I guessed wrong.
0-1

Shazaquake

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I got a bad matchup. Cyberweapon, plus too many different PPM for a good quake, meant I couldn't lock Septima down. I also made some bad decisions on what to shazzam - once I let the blue mage siphon my warden, I was toast.
0-1

Zombohaunt

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If I don't get a low-quanta opening against an early cyperweapon, this deck can rapidly raise an army of assorted undead. In testing, it really suffered from deflags, but I didn't face any PC during the tournament.
3-1

Good games, everyone!

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Events / Re: Additional Arsenal - Round 1

« on: October 31, 2024, 08:54:42 pm »

Niharia 3-2 asdw.

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Events / Re: Additional Arsenal - Round 1

« on: October 30, 2024, 11:34:45 pm »

Niharia v Muffins 5-0.
Makes up for getting steamrollered the first day, I guess.

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Events / Re: Additional Arsenal - Round 1

« on: October 30, 2024, 09:04:17 pm »

Niharia v Septima Rhay 3-2.

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Events / Re: Additional Arsenal - Round 1

« on: October 28, 2024, 02:17:22 am »

Niharia 0-5 Serprex
The RNG just hates me.

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Events / Re: Additional Arsenal - Round 1

« on: October 28, 2024, 12:53:59 am »

Niharia vs. BigDieck 0-5.
I got zorched by a slim margin every time.

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Events / Re: Additional Arsenal - Individual PVP Event

« on: October 12, 2024, 11:46:27 pm »

A survey of my calendar says i should have plenty of time to participate. Count me in!

Now, to come up with some decks that aren't the same ones I used during beta...

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Decks / Haunt-a-pult

« on: October 08, 2024, 09:40:50 pm »

It's October, the perfect time for orange and black decks!

Haunt-a-pult

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Upped

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The strategy is simple: haunt your creatures, then catapult them, then haunt and catapult their skeletons, repeat. The voodoo doll is a filler card I put in before I realised you can haunt the same creature multiple times to get multiple skeletons (great prep work if you get scythe before catapult) and so the deck uses more dark quanta. Not sure whether to swap in some sort of 'tech' card, a dark PPM, or what. Experiment!

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Decks / Re: Cyber Wings

« on: October 08, 2024, 01:42:56 am »

Heal is really useful, too

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Maybe I'm a bad nightmare user, but heal seems to be more effective. Maybe it's because I'm fighting PvE, though - on good matches, that +20 health can be enough for EM. I might even swap the earthquake out for another heal since champions tend to have too many different types of pillars to quake effectively.

[Spoiler]

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Events / Re: Team Card Design: New Weapons

« on: August 22, 2024, 06:58:07 am »

Here are my magic wand decks:

Magic spider cow

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Magic wand x3
I have long been a fan of using regrade on micro spider cattle to 'reroll' a bad ability and get a stat boost in the process. Magic wand feels similar, with the added ability to reroll draws and being on a stick in exchange for a higher cost and an inability to target immaterial. Shazzam on a spider cow keeps bug and mutant tags, but shazzaming a non-cow into a cow does not give it mutant. Also, shazzaming a magic wand in hand into a monster gives that monster psionic. Haven't tested whether shazamming a cow in hand into another monster keeps mutant on play or not, but worth investigating. This deck could use more quanta.

Gooshazam!

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magic wand x3
Similar to the classic mut-an-egg, except using shazzam instead of mutate to get dejas, scarabs, hognoses, and ghosts of the past. A nice rush. Extra cards can also be zapped into miscelaneous goodies.

And my feather decks:

Fierce Feathers:

Material Weapons

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feathers x3
There have been a few times when feather-throwing has earned me a win, but I'm not convinced that fierce feathers are more valuable than owl's eye in this. Mages don't have/use that many shields where feathering will make a huge difference.

Mono rush

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feathers x3
I'm not much of a user of mono air in general, so I went to standard (non-test) oEtG and played exactly this but with short bows instead of feathers and felt that I was doing just as well with a cheaper, equal damage weapon.

Spoiler for 'Feathers came in handy once':

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Conclusion: feathers need some help. Unless someone has a feathery doom deck that I haven't come up with yet?

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Events / Re: Team Card Design: New Weapons

« on: August 21, 2024, 12:11:46 am »

I might as well share the decks I've been using. Unupped decks tested against mages, upped against champions. New cards unnupped (even in upped decks) unless otherwise noted.

Axe to Rule

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Blanks: 3 skeleton axe / 3 scepter of ruling / 1 cyberweapon (that probably should be pulled out}
This is a fun little mess. Once you get a scepter and an axe in play, beguile -> bonesharper -> reinforce one of your creatures, preferrably the vamp. The most hilarious match I had the AI PUed my vamp only for me to merge the copy back into the original, three turns in a row. The deck is vulnerable to hush, immaterial monsters, mill, and bad draws.

Scepter of Fire

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Blanks: scepter of ruling x 4
I'm not much of an immolation fan, but I had to try scepter+wicked, and this works. Scepter does most of the damage, so it's kinda slow. Weak against immaterial, mill, unstable gas. To do: upgrade and test vs champs.

Command and Control

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Scepter of Ruling x 4
The idea is to use chimera to keep your opponent's creatures on your side. Not sure why I put the regrades in, I think I have a regrade problem. Also flying weapon is mostly useless when your scepter gets glommed into the chimera. Still viable, though.

Axe You Over

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Blanks: skeleton axe x 3
Not beguiles for me to feel comfortable playing this. I try to beguile too aggressively and waste my spells on small creatures, I think.

Mono Axe

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Blanks: skeleton axe x 3
It works, but I found it boring.

RainBug

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Blanks: infested log x 3
My first attempt at a log deck. Pillarless. It only started working after the log got nerfed (phase recluse + nightshade + rejuv + bugburst was so overpowered it was hillarious). Maybe I should put in a flying weapon, so I can see if two logs makes double poison? Or mitosis?

EpiLog UU

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EpiLog +

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log x3 - upped for the + version.
EpiLog is a good pun and an okay deck. But it has so many weaknesses. Maybe if I was smart enough to use self-plague, or include dry spell mycologist-style? This requires further study.

Wicked with a Scythe

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Blanks: scythe x 2
This is basically the Wicked mage but with scythe x2 instead of vampire stiletto.

Wicked 2

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Blanks: scythe x 3
Streamlined to get better results.

desert Sun UU

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Sun blade x 4
I was lurking when a fully-upped version of this deck was posted into the chat (and I forgot to make a note of whose work it was, either asdw or... whoever asdw was talking to). I haven't gotten enough of the new weapons to test up (other than log), so I downgraded the deck, added the regrades (to get the 2 def appreciation), and made a few other tweaks. Pretty nice mage farmer. I can't to ouei to save my life, but with the max health + unupped + deckout, this might be something to watch out for.

DISCARD EVERYTHING

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amulet x 3
Okay, not my best deck name, but it burns through your opponent's cards like nobody's business. Regrade clepysdras for longer function, or to just get cards out of your hand so you can keep stealing the opponent's deck. Hard countered by pulvy, struggles against PC in general. Mist shield because I can play them all without 'wasting' the card.

BoSader

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Bo staff x 4
This was a good deck when I first put it together, then something changed so that if I let even one Bo-endowed crusader attack, it reset my shield. Afterwards it struggled to do damage and maintain wallhood.

VR Whales

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cyberweapon x 3
The first cyberweapon deck I made. For a while I was getting an acceptable W/L against champions, but I think it may have been a fluke. Or the AI not having a reasonable threat evaluation for cyberweapon? Don't know if those numbers have been put in.

Bootlegged Readiness

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Cyberweapon x4
The idea is, by reducing the cost of your creatures, you get 0: mitosis. But it takes too long to set up to ever be reliable, and one rewind will undo your hard work.

I remember making a fierce feathers deck, but I can't find it in my decklist and I don't remember if/how well it worked. I didn't notice the remade magic wand until I was looking through this thread, so I'll try exploring the new shazzam.

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Events / Re: Team Card Design: New Weapons

« on: August 06, 2024, 09:53:16 pm »

I'm tired of not being able to tell if my axe is antimattered or not, even though now that it's been nerfed it's less absolute value to be worried about. I was experimenting with backgrounds and ended up with two that I kinda like. Not sure which looks better, so here are both.

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Events / Re: Team Card Design: New Weapons

« on: July 16, 2024, 11:49:26 pm »

Okay, here goes. One log and one cyberweapon. After I drew the cyberweapon I started worrying that perhaps it should be a ray gun instead, but since it doesn't have the 'ranged' tag, I figured this would be fine. What? How dare I draw a cyberweapon traditionally rather than digitally!

[Spoiler]

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General Game Discussion / Silly Match Replays

« on: June 05, 2024, 11:26:42 pm »

Just as there's a thread for double-1st place flex thread, here's a thread for replays of matches that seemed really cool/funny/etc. Perhaps this should go in 'Off-topic' along with the double-flex thread, but... that one kinda is game discussion, so perhaps that one should go here? I don't know, that's not my speciality.

Anyways, my shard of serendipity just showed me an exciting card combo...

Spoiler for SoSep surprise:

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...Which led me to try and create a deck built around that combo. During the trial-and-error phase of testing, I managed to do this:

Spoiler for BOOM:

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I've since updated the deck because I've figured out how the cards actually interact, so copying this second deck as presented here won't get very far. However, the short answer is: ricochet and dispersion make for a very interesting combination.