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greyfang

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Hi all.  I've been experimenting with the version of the Spinfinite OTK deck below and came across a couple things i'm not understanding - hoping someone could clarify what i'm missing?

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First, i'm not understanding why only a few of my writ stacks affected the opponent on this one:

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2nd, on this one the opponent took another turn after mine.  beauty of this example is that the AI played an Epoch after i played all mine, so i know i wasn't just hallucinating:

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Any assistance is appreciated.  Really digging the direction this game has taken and just want to understand better what i seem to be overlooking.


serprex

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In first replay you cast scattering wind with an empty deck. Moving on..

So in order to avoid recursion blowing up the stack, extra attacks are "deferred" until either the end of the casting action or the end of the attack phase (but before changing turn)

In your last example the AI casts Brawl, killing off your creatures, sequence of events would be
Brawl attacks, during which
spite1 dies, queue attack for spite2, lemming
spite1 hits back, queue attacks for spite2, lemming
spite2 dies, queue attack for lemming
spite2 hits back, queue attacks for lemming
(Lemming survives the attack from Deployer)

Next we execute queued attacks,
spite2 hits, queue attack for lemming
lemming hits
spite2 hits, queue attack for lemming
lemming hits
lemming hits
lemming hits
lemming hits
lemming hits

4+1+4+1+1+1+1+1=14
« Last Edit: December 04, 2020, 09:45:21 pm by serprex »


greyfang

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In first replay you cast scattering wind with an empty deck. Moving on..

So in order to avoid recursion blowing up the stack, extra attacks are "deferred" until either the end of the casting action or the end of the attack phase (but before changing turn)

Ugh... embarrassing move on the first one.  Thanks for the solid info on the 2nd too!


greyfang

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Another question - can someone tell me why Momentum didn't increase my HP to one on Spite here?  pretty sure i used Flying Weapon first...



Spoiler for Hidden:
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You can watch replays by inputting them into the top right input in Custom screen & clicking Replay

There you'll see you played momentum on weapon before flying it


greyfang

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You can watch replays by inputting them into the top right input in Custom screen & clicking Replay

There you'll see you played momentum on weapon before flying it

well at least now i learned i don't have to bug you for these questions  =]

thanks.