Demigod Prediction Decks

[MrFire]

For Suwako, I replaced fire shields with jade shields and added some emerald towers, the 2 dr really makes a difference, and reflective punishes the druids.

[Lost in Nowhere]

Here's an attempt at another counter for Tatatitat; I was having some difficulty with the listed one:

Tatatitat

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Still not 100% a counter, but seems to win more than half of the time based on testing. Getting a discord on turn 1 or 2 is vital, followed by a gravity nymph as soon as possible after. Pandemonium is particularly for use against Otyughs and Defenders, or if things generally get out of hand before a lockdown occurs. Could potentially use locket/inertia, but this seemed to be slower at initial quanta, which made playing discord early and generally surviving much more difficult.

[Lost in Nowhere]

Kenosis

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Updated version of the one in original post; BE is for lemmings, as it removes their ability and replaces it with one Kenosis can't use (no entropy quanta). Quanta balance and size possibly could be improved.

Edit: another counter:

Kenosis

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Use quint on the lemmings to be able to AM everything else (if possible, use antimatter on them before you do so they can't kill nymphs when Brawl comes out, but it's not 100% necessary). Wins reliably from my testing.

[asdw152]

For the new gods Mirage and Odious

Spoiler for Mirage:

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Spoiler for Odious:

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Someone smart do the winrate calculations and optimize.

[Naii_the_Baf]

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This worked for me against Nosferatu.

The other counters are a little big so I went ahead and made my own

[serprex]

After once again failing to gather the right mix of deflag/dims vs Pele, I put together this. Should also work unupped

Pele, instosis

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[kirbylover314]

lol there still isnt an econ tata

econ tatatitat

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can scrape a win with some luck, but works pretty well considering how cheap it is

just force ai to cata with pacify, heal up

definitely needs refinement because i put this together in like 30 seconds, i dont think the holy lights even do anything

EDIT: monk seems okay, also if you get oty + accel combo'd it's pretty doomed

EDIT2:

prolly better

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[sirteeth]

lol there still isnt an econ tata

econ tatatitat

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can scrape a win with some luck, but works pretty well considering how cheap it is

just force ai to cata with pacify, heal up

definitely needs refinement because i put this together in like 30 seconds, i dont think the holy lights even do anything

EDIT: monk seems okay, also if you get oty + accel combo'd it's pretty doomed

EDIT2:

prolly better

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not quite as eco (requires eternity and some uncommons)
but this ought to stop its gameplan much better, provided it sets up in time (untested)

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destroy all catas, put all flown titans and od targets in deck or hand, mutate all 4 lemmings (and some defenders if you got leftover) and put the likely unplayable mutations in deck/hand as well and survive the defenders+ a titan

obv much better with some sogs

also can replace rider with hand drill, to win through defenders and use eternity for board control alone

closer to optimised

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[kirbylover314]

Spoiler for Hidden:

lol there still isnt an econ tata

econ tatatitat

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can scrape a win with some luck, but works pretty well considering how cheap it is

just force ai to cata with pacify, heal up

definitely needs refinement because i put this together in like 30 seconds, i dont think the holy lights even do anything

EDIT: monk seems okay, also if you get oty + accel combo'd it's pretty doomed

EDIT2:

prolly better

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not quite as eco (requires eternity and some uncommons)
but this ought to stop its gameplan much better, provided it sets up in time (untested)

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destroy all catas, put all flown titans and od targets in deck or hand, mutate all 4 lemmings (and some defenders if you got leftover) and put the likely unplayable mutations in deck/hand as well and survive the defenders+ a titan

obv much better with some sogs

also can replace rider with hand drill, to win through defenders and use eternity for board control alone

closer to optimised

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Intial tests found the deck had too many control cards, not enough healing. Also stealing a titan to beat the crap out of Tata is way easier than deckout.

if no sogs use heals

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Use pc only on titans not catapults, rewind/unsummon if one makes it out on the board. Stealing a titan to kill means you have to keep in mind to not overdraw by accident. Should probably try to get a midas or deflag in opener

Still can't believe I tried to deal with titans with pacify at first


On another note, Swamp is easy with dream catchers:

if no fractals use broken mirrors

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[sirteeth]

eco base ideas:
Cardinal: yh, ill leave this one unsolved, its a pain for sure. unless mindflayer +regrade dims actually works
Higgs: wings + excessive pc and any kind of wincon; dont have to worry about cc or pc at least and only ug bypasses wings iirc
Matrix: sosac/dials kinda a must vs a rush with all dmg types, but obv sosac not an option and dials nerfed too hard (silence is a pain for that strat as well, but its not that hard to slpash sanct/dream catcher)
can try to mimic entronymph spam with nt  but that seems too slow
oty also has potential, as it  deals with recluses right away and limits byt use, still gotta deal with lobo, fractal and immortals though; a rainbow stall built around oty or scarab(easier to bring out but needs some help to get going) with some pc and a lot of healing seems promising
 Sesha: rt/unsummon should work well here, but need lots of healing to survive the initial burst and remaining dmg. the new counter to catatitat should work well if you replace the pc with stuff that deals with fenghuang and entro cards
Swamp: you need to be mostly unaffected by devs and 8 dmg reduction, as well as a way to deal with despair. deja hope with sanct and midas touch perhaps? with reinforce light dragons to not deckout? and yes thats basically a deck filled to the brim with uncommons. may also go with immo photon as early game way to deal with devs and power luci, which would allow you to then use deflag as pc for despair when needed.

[sirteeth]

Here some quick mockups of suggested decks

Cardinal

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probably works better with 2 fractal and sopa instead of nt and a flayer

Higgs

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protect pillars, destroy ugs, drill golems

matrix

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sesha

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swamp

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all untested

[kirbylover314]

Swamp: you need to be mostly unaffected by devs and 8 dmg reduction, as well as a way to deal with despair. deja hope with sanct and midas touch perhaps? with reinforce light dragons to not deckout? and yes thats basically a deck filled to the brim with uncommons. may also go with immo photon as early game way to deal with devs and power luci, which would allow you to then use deflag as pc for despair when needed.

Actually did Swamp today along with Tatatitat

Also this Higgs has worked pretty well for me so far:

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Upped it's probably a lot more braindead to play than current counters too fwiw

Sesha:

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EDIT: Tried the Cardinal and Matrix decks. The Cardinal one premodifications probably has like 1 in 10 to 1 in 20 chances of winning, the Matrix one gets outrushed way too fast. Currently trying a Bonestorm for Matrix which dies less fast but that's all it does.

[kirbylover314]

Spoiler for Throw Rock is back, baby:

Stalled Matrix a few times to ~70 plies with this, luckily AI too stupid too stop buffing spooders in favor of byts or psions when they're available.

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I haven't tested anything yet, but you just need to add damage to kill and it's probably good enough, although if Matrix draws no spooders it's an autoconcede which sucks.

don't really know what to replace with fahrenheit sorry

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There's probably a better wings stall (a rainbow maybe?) out there but this sort of works for now.

EDIT: It works like half the time which is probably insane for an unupped, 1 rare deck. Matrix is such a pain

EDIT2: For a true econ a modified version of this vanilla Morte counter might work actually

[kirbylover314]

Cardinal (kinda)

sofo with no PA or oty is lose, lightning with no quint is lose, uncontrolled geese is lose, early charger before oty+magma is lose

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please tell me that never again will there be a dg where i have to worry about damage, denial, cc, and pc at the same time


And with that I can go disappear again /s

I should probably point out that out of all the counters recently posted Swamp, Sesha, Higgs are actually not terrible and are pretty consistent.

Matrix is about 50/50 I would say, Cardinal is maybe 1 in 5 to 1 in 10, so if anyone feels up for improving winrates, those are probably the ones to look at. Also I find it hilarious that the rareless Tempest counter is listed because I'm pretty sure I've never had it work once

Less bad rareless Tempest:

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Worked 1/1 times

[Naii_the_Baf]

Streamlined proposed counter vs Matrix, seems to do better overall. Also not vulnerable to Matrix having lobo out before you can get PC out

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Could do -2 Midas +1 Micro abom +1 BE but I like having 4 PC cards. Only permanent to worry about is Lobo and Matrix only has 2.

EDIT: With pendulums so you always have on opening hand, looks to be about as good as the deck above though

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